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Post by devesh on Jan 29, 2014 22:45:17 GMT
Ok, so we took a hit on our raiding losing 4 people I think; 1 healer, 1 tank, 2 dps or was it more? I believe only 1 was on the flex team with Warlin coming I think once? Trying to figure out how much the desertion will affect the raid teem before I through out some ideas that might help.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 22:47:53 GMT
Matiki only raided with us like twice, so I wouldn't count it as a loss for the raid team, he was never considered part of the roster. The other 3 were all members on the 10-man team.
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Post by devesh on Jan 29, 2014 23:04:10 GMT
So in reference to the flex team we really didn't lose that much... Well im willing to do whatever it takes to get us to normal mode. Tank, DPS, heals if need whatever... I will even tank farm timeless island, Heroics, whatever to get people geared up that need it. flex Wing 1 and 2 is on farm, how do you think we would do on wing 1 on normal? Are we thinking of adding another raid night?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 0:13:43 GMT
I wouldn't go by the 10-man/Flex team dichotomy since that distinction was premised upon having members from Legion bolstering the flex team. It's more to think of it that out best dps and healer are gone. Konto, while skilled, was still gearing up so his dps wasn't considered crucial to the team's performance. We've run plenty of Flex nights without Warlin, so we know we can handle things dps-wise at least up until Malkorok. It gets a bit hazy after that if we'll have problems with dps after that. Verreck anchored the healing and it's been awhile since we've had to get by without him, but we've been able to offset that by simply taking along additional healers. I'm hesitant to see that as a solution since that could place undue strain on the dps and ensure we hit a wall on 3rd wing again.
I'm confident we can still farm wings 1 and 2 of flex. Tackling wing 3 and progressing into 4 may be just outside our reach atm, but we won't know for sure until we try. It's been 2 months or more since we last attempted normal progression on our own. At the time we hit a wall on Norushen, but I believe that had more to do with not knowing how to handle the fight mechanics properly then to deficiencies in numerical output. As such, I think we could clear the first 4 bosses in 10-man, after that I don't know.
There's a lot of unknowns, and any information to answer questions of our capabilities are somewhat dated and often not premised upon taking a hit to both dps and healing. We'll likely be spending a few sessions assessing our current standing and seeing where our limits are.
I don't see your role changing at current, you're an excellent tank and solid dps. Assuming nothing else changes, the team is still solid on tanking with you, Light and Hargu, and even Manila as backup. We have a lot of mid-range talent in the healing and dps department, and really what we need is someone who can match Warlin/Verreck's outputs in those areas to compensate for the loss or see a shared series of smaller gains among all participants in those areas to make up the difference. I think the later is more likely. However, if you were able to match the dps set by SimC in Frost, you'd be able to make up for Warlin leaving.
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Post by yon on Jan 30, 2014 2:05:24 GMT
I know that I'm not particularly geared on Pyral (enhancement shammy) yet, I am hellbent on getting her to 10 man because I cannot bring yon. Until then... I'll be willing to bring whichever character we need.
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Post by lightpenguin on Jan 30, 2014 14:30:28 GMT
I have no doubt we could get some Normal bosses. In the Normal raids we had a different strat for Norushen and it went flawless (no healers in ever, they stay out so they always know their healing rate instead of seeing spikes). I'd like to see us try normal bosses until we hit a soft wall (no more than 2 attempts, for example) and then dive into Flex.
My only concern there is "what do we do when 14 people show up?"
But seriously, flex 1 and 2 until the gear returns are low, then 2 and 3, and so on.
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